1. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:14 guest wrote:

"var" keyword.... no no no no NO NO NO!

I'm old enough to remember VB6 ;-)

3. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:19 guest wrote:

The var keyword is a really different concept respect the VB variant type. It is not a generic container but instead a way of making a variable with a strong type decided at the moment of the construction by assignment.

5. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:20 guest wrote:

There is a reason why many people like C#, it's not VB.  Why take a nice language and make it VB'ish?  If that's the route they choose to go I might make a perminate switch to java.

7. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:22 guest wrote:

var keyword... and this is useful how? Some of the other features seem handy, but this one I'm not so sure about.

9. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:26 guest wrote:

You guys are missing the point of the var keyword - as the compiler will automatically pick the most appropriate type you can do things like:

for(var i=0;i<5;i++) { ... }

and

for(var i=0;i<50000000000;i++) { ... }

and not have to care if it's an int32 or int64 or whatever.

11. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:29 guest wrote:

for(var i=0;i<5;i++) { ... }

and

for(var i=0;i<50000000000;i++) { ... }

you don't think it's helpful for the programmer to know the type of the variables he's playing with? What if something in the {...} depends on the type of index????

13. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:35 guest wrote:

The thing that isn't mentioned in this post is that these features were all added to facilitate LINQ.  Go watch some of the PDC sessions concerning LINQ and you will understand much better.

Please, just because this is a Microsoft technology, don't dismiss it out of hand.  

var is determined at compile time, not run time.  It is no slower than int or string.

15. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:36 guest wrote:

I would like to point out that the author EXPLICITLY STATES that the "var" keyword is to SAVE KEYSTROKES. I would now like to thank Microsoft for saving me from the horrible fate of WASTING KEYSTROKES which we all know are in SHORT SUPPLY! The author points out that we can all save a WHOPPING THREE KEYSTROKES with this new feature! Oh boy! I'm sure MSFT is going to go through the roof now!

17. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:38 guest wrote:

The first 3 features smell like PHP or Ruby.

19. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:44 guest wrote:

Boo (http://boo.codehaus.org) has most of these features already!
Statically Typed, Extension Methods, Type Inference, lambda functions, etc

But also has built-in support for Arrays,Lists,Regular Expressions,Templating, etc. Oh well maybe the rest will come in C#4

21. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:46 guest wrote:

Anonymous types seem like an elaborate scheme to get dictionary-like behaviour. I do like the shortcut for instantiating objects.

I think a lot of these seem like ways to make C# a little more like the rest of the modern languages we have. That could be good, or bad depending on how they go about it.

23. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:51 guest wrote:

Well, C# is now heading in the same direction as C++, that is, the direction of adding gobs of features, which just makes a huge morass out of the language.

As far as the
for(var i=0;i<5;i++) { ... }/for(var i=0;i<50000000000;i++) { ... } examples are concerned, the type of var is set in the declaration.  "var i = 0" doesn't have any information leading the compiler to substitute int64; zero fits nicely in a smaller int type.  The "i<50000000000" clause is not the declaration of i, it is a separate expression used in loop control.  As such, it will not be used to determine the type of i.  The for(var i=0;i<50000000000;i++) { ... } will likely fail at runtime with i exceeding the bounds of its integer type.


And to whoever said they used VB3.0: n00b.  I used VB 1.  Under Windows 3.0.  To interface with Dialogic telephony hardware.  It was UAE central.

25. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:54 guest wrote:

I think the "var" keyword makes a ton of sense. There is no need to have a type before a variable name when you define the value immediately afterwards. The keystroke argument is also valid. Instead of assuming you are replacing "int" or  "string", imagine getting rid of "MyExtremelyVerboseVariableNameInCamelCase", which are rather popular within C# code. When people put whole sentences for a classname, getting to omit it once saves keystrokes and errors.

27. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:55 guest wrote:

Ruby has all these features since... eh... since it was designed?

29. On Mar 08 2006 @ 20:59 guest wrote:

What about:

ISomeInterface xyz = new ConcreteObject();

this is quite common, no? (and good programming practice anyway). are we just gonna replace it with:

var xyz = new ConcreteObject();

and guess at the methods we can call?

31. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:01 guest wrote:

Guys, var is intended for use with features like the anonymous classes they mention.

If we did not have var, we could not do this:

var o = new { Name = "Niek", Gender = "Male", Active = true };

If you said object o = new... whatever, you wouldn't have a type to downcast to, and therefore couldn't access the properties (since Name, Gender, and Active are not properties of object.)

And why would we want to do this?  Well, I don't know much about LINQ, but I would presume the result sets would use anonymous types.  I know if I were writing an ad hoc query engine of some sort, anonymous types could be really nice.

Its not about saving you typing.  

Yes, it can be abused.  Personally, I would prefer that var was only available for anonymous types.

33. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:07 PhilC wrote:

"var" keyword.... yeah. Easier to type than int. Not. Plus it makes a strongly typed language less readable as such.

"Extension methods".... Inheritance, anyone? Now there's no way of knowing for sure what extra functionality a class has just by looking at its name.

35. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:08 guest wrote:

""var" keyword.... yeah. Easier to type than int. Not."

No one claimed this.

37. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:09 Pandaman wrote:

For those not familiar with C#, var could be a problem trying to figure out the actual type of the declared variable.

Else

var is just a time saving feature.

39. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:14 guest wrote:

I'm indifferent to var.
Here's a silly justification for it. It aligns variables.

float a=1.2f;
int b=3;
string c="wicked awesome";

Geez, how ugly.

var a=1.2f;
var b=3;
var c="wicked awesome";

Now ain't that just lovely.

41. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:19 guest wrote:

why use var when you can just make everything a string :)

43. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:30 Joe wrote:

The example given in the article for var is a bad example.  It does deomnstrate what can be done but it doesn't demonstrate the why.  In fact, you probably shouldn't use var at all if you know the type a priori.  It does help with generics, but you can always alias them (using SpecialList = System...List<Special>;)

For anonymous classes or the aforementioned LINQ it becomes necessary to use var.  The benefits LINQ brings will completely outwiegh the confusion that var introduces.

45. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:35 guest wrote:

OK, so the Object Initializers is sorta like named, optional parameters.  Why not just add that?  It would eliminate a lot of method overloading!

47. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:42 guest wrote:

Linq example on MS site:

public void Linq1() {
   int[] numbers = { 5, 4, 1, 3, 9, 8, 6, 7, 2, 0 };

   var lowNums =
       from n in numbers
       where n < 5
       select n;

   Console.WriteLine("Numbers < 5:");
   foreach (var x in lowNums) {
       Console.WriteLine(x);
   }
}

My question. What was wrong with this:

public void NoLinq() {
int[] numbers = { 5, 4, 1, 3, 9, 8, 6, 7, 2, 0 };

Console.WriteLine("Numbers < 5:");
for (int i = 0; i<numbers.length;i++) {
Console.WriteLine(numbers);
}
}

looks like less typing to me...hehe :)

49. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:44 guest wrote:

Can you data type the var statement like you can in Actionscript? Then it's not quite so weak.

51. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:53 guest wrote:

oh boy, can C# get any more gay then this? stop copying other peoples work and start bringing some new stuff innovative stuff to the table. This has perl, ruby and php written all over it, only with the bad taste of VB. So you managed to even suck at implementing 'inspired' concepts.

Use a real language people, whatever perspectives C# seemed to have at first are quite washing away now. Heck I even want to thank you for the var concept, might bring some sense into people thinking about trying .NET:)

53. On Mar 08 2006 @ 21:57 guest wrote:

Glad to see someone isn't afraid to make a language more convenient (take a hint)

55. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:04 guest wrote:

The extension methods are a copy of Objective-C categories. They are really useful for adding methods to large code base (frameworks) without extending the class. You do not touch encapsulation because you don't have access to class members. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C#Categories

57. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:10 guest wrote:

not happy with auto either #59...level of abstraction?????? are you serious?

READABILITY

and if you're too lazy to type, look at #47

59. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:13 wezzy wrote:

Uh for me it looks very similar to Javascript. anyone else feel the same ?

61. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:16 drawkcom wrote:

All of these features are in AS2/AS3 as well.  There is an RIA battle brewing and with Avalon vs Flex 2 these were added I am sure to make that transition easier for people coming from AS2/AS3 to C# Avalon.  The whole reason C# is areound was to lure the Java programmers over like me.  This is another outreach. I wouldn't use these much but it may be useful to make a mini C# scripting engine alot easier for a deep app.   Even engines like Unreal do this and a script in C# type would be very cool and useful.  Its being used already but it woudl be even easier this way.

63. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:20 guest wrote:

uhhh... Pain. Just go install cygwin on your windows box and start to learn the beuty if a unix command line. Then realize that whatever you throw together inside of cygwin can easily become a windows app or a linux app and become one with the entity that is GNU. Remember GNUs not unix, that is all there is to it.

65. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:33 guest wrote:

#68/Mike

Can you tell me the type of foo in this piece of code and tell me whether it compiles:

var foo = bar();
var foo2 = bar2();
foo.func();
int x = foo + foo2;

Yes, i understand that you can look up the return values of bar/bar2 and know the types but just looking at the code you cannot...

btw...i think everyone gets that this is type-safe and that foo.func() will not compile if the foo object doesn't support the func method. everyone can stop beating the dead horse...var = type-safe...

67. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:41 guest wrote:

Just trying to clarify confusion about the 'var' keyword. As already said it is strongly typed, inferred at compile time. Its primary purpose is support for anonymous types, and NOT for saving keystrokes. This is neccesary because of the LINQ query system. Take the example from a previous post:

var Result = select Name, Address from MyCustmers where MyCustomers.zip == 10001;

The Result variable would be an anonymous type: probably a list container storing another anonymous type with these properties: String Name, String Adress. These is truly a neat encapsulation, and is very far from VB6 obscurity as I recall it.

One note about the extensional system:
Notice that the methods added are not static in the normal way. As noted in the example they are called as normal instance methods: 's.MD5()'. I am not sure about this, but I doubt that it is possible to make *virtual* (polymorphics) extensions (as they are not defined in a class hierarchy).

69. On Mar 08 2006 @ 22:50 guest wrote:

Thanks for skirting the issue #72...real productive...

71. On Mar 08 2006 @ 23:05 guest wrote:

I have a question about var:  Will intelisense pick up on the members that the inferred class contains to code against in later lines of code?

Maybe it doesn't matter.  In the case of anonymous classes, there won't be much to think about.  Hopefully, you just created the class, know what it contains, and won't try and use that class too far beyond the scope of its creation.

I think that what everyone should be complaining about or figuring out how to avoid is abuse of var.  If intelisense does not pick up on the members in the inferred class, coding against it will be difficult to say the least.  Maybe that's some built in protection against abuse though; programmers won't use it unless necessary.

On a slightly different note, someone above pointed out how var helped hide all the extraneous info around data and let you focus on the data.  There's a framework I believe MS has been talking about that contains, as one example, an employee object.  This object can be extended and changed so that all of your applications from say active directory to CRM to e-commerce can pass around one employee object and cast it to whatever type is needed.  But what if all I care about is the username and password and I really don't care which type I have, var sounds like it could be convenient there.  Does var fit into today's coding standards, probably not.  But I also don't believe the full potential of var and the other language features that make use of it were even hinted at in this article.

On the subject of strong vs weak, static vs dynamic typing, can't reccomend the following post enough.  The reply from Vassili Bykov is particularly good.  http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/buck/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3252458583

73. On Mar 08 2006 @ 23:09 guest wrote:

wow, and there I was thinking that Java is threatened by .NET. It looks like despite some interesting new language features, the c# world is filled with so many idiots that it won't make a blind bit of difference.

Haven't any of you naysayers wondered why the unnecessary duplication in declaring: Object object = new Object(); exists, given that the compiler obviously knows that object is going to be an Object if that's the type that's going to be assigned to it.

Note:

* It's still strongly typed: IT'S NOT A VARIANT (for those of you hard at reading)
* It won't make debugging more difficult because it's still strongly typed so it'll look exactly the same in your debugger
* var x = new Object(); is pretty easy to read (except for those of you hard at reading)

75. On Mar 08 2006 @ 23:17 guest wrote:

All Python inspired.

77. On Mar 08 2006 @ 23:22 blinks wrote:

And #81 - Python doesn't have type inference.  Great language, yes, but just because all you have is a hammer, not everything is a nail.

79. On Mar 08 2006 @ 23:39 guest wrote:

#3

"That's nothing.  I used VB 3.0."

I had been programming for 10 years before VB 1.0 came out.

I developed on PDP11s, CDC mainframes, dBase II on the original IBM PC, and 6502 on my Apple II.

81. On Mar 08 2006 @ 23:53 guest wrote:

34, 59, and 73 are correct explanations, in case anyone didn't want to read this whole discussion and skipped to the bottom.

Variables can't be initialized without a type.  Anonymous types don't have an accessible name associated with their type.  "var" will be filled in by the compiler with the correct type.  Static typing is not lost.  It's unfortunate that the original post says that "var" is there to save typing, as that's really not its primary purpose.

83. On Mar 09 2006 @ 00:54 zing wrote:

> If the proposal is accepted, we can just write
>
> for (auto p = foo.begin(); p != foo.end(); ++p) {
> ...
> }
>
> The language is as strongly typed as it ever was.  auto, or var, says to
> pick up the type from the type of the initializer.

And what type would that be?  I shouldn't have to waste time reading through the API documentation to find out.

Seriously, lazy coders can be helped in ways that don't impact the people who have to review the code.  For instance, an IDE might auto-insert the type for a for loop when doing an iteration.  Hey, wait a minute... IntelliJ IDEA already does that for me in Java, so my conclusion is that this stunt is just because Microsoft don't want to add actual convenience to their own IDE.

For anonymous classes, that's fine.  But I think they should have just come up with a more sensible name.  "anonymous", for instance, would have been a perfect name.

85. On Mar 09 2006 @ 02:39 guest wrote:

I see a huge problem with:
var o = new { Name = "Niek", Gender = "Male", Active = true };

You can't return nor pass that object 'o' to any other function.   Basically you are just making a shorthand notation for 3 local variables (Name, Gender, Active).

That severely reduces its practicality.

87. On Mar 09 2006 @ 03:56 guest wrote:

I added file handling to a Basic interpreter in 1968. I held the actual notebook in my hands in 1962 that was usd to design the first version of FORTRAN, and I also programmed a computer with vacuum tube memory in 1962. I had to wait a long  time for VB1!

To me the "var" concept simplifies the creation of computer-generated code. I doubt readability is a real issue.
- tobias d. robison

89. On Mar 09 2006 @ 04:48 guest wrote:

Wow! Most of you people are absolute idiots. These features will be very helpful in to some people, and maybe absolutely useless to other people. Bottom line -

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE A PARTICULAR FEATURE (OF _ANY_ LANGUAGE), THEN DON'T USE IT!!!

The choice is yours! Same as you have the choice to use C# or not.

91. On Mar 09 2006 @ 05:53 guest wrote:

in real world "more language constucts" mean "more problems ,more time and RAM to interpret ..." So right question is not what the language will do for me , but how to do less ... From that point of view it is unlikely someone to invent better language than LISP , or better object-oriented language than Smalltalk , or better interoperability protocol than Java ... and if You want to see what a variable is and how many characters are needed to say "it is variable" try Mathematica (- the answer of the last question is - only one -'_')
If You really can't forget the bad joke named Pascal ...look for psychoanalyst not for another language and place to use "var" and remember Gresham's Law

93. On Mar 09 2006 @ 08:13 Melwyn wrote:

LINQ concept is possible when files in the system is stored like Relational database management system. And thats why microsoft is betting big on ORDBMS.

95. On Mar 09 2006 @ 10:12 Christiaan wrote:

Why is there a "var" added?? Simple, otherwise anonymous types wouldn't be possible.

I think anonymous types are real time-savers and keep your project clean (no single use classes etc.)

Everybody is way to hard on the "var" supplement, I think it could be realy usefull and with anonymous types it's the only way. Just remember, this is an add-on not a replacement! If you want to strongly define what type a variable is just go ahead!

I think all new features are really nice features, especially LINQ DLINQ and XLINQ

Common, try it and I think you will all fall in love with C# 3.0, at least I did

97. On Mar 09 2006 @ 10:36 Guest wrote:

You seem to have missed the point, completely.

The "var" type adds a lot of value, and is not meant for silly things such as an "int" replacement. See this example;

JuniorSalesEmployee e = new JuniorSalesEmployee();

var e = new JuniorSalesEmployee();

18 keystrokes saved!. If the object type is obvious WHY REPEAT YOURSELF? Maybe so you can justify to your boss the long hours a Hello World takes in C# as opposed to Ruby/PHP/bla/bla?

99. On Mar 09 2006 @ 12:17 guest wrote:

#107, from what I can tell that scenario isn't possible, since the compiler won't be able to infer the type of the var in the return values and parameters.

101. On Mar 09 2006 @ 13:28 guest wrote:

"IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE A PARTICULAR FEATURE (OF _ANY_ LANGUAGE), THEN DON'T USE IT!!!"

Sounds great in theory, but wait until you have to maintain someone else's code which is littered with bizarre operator overloading and other annoying tricks.

103. On Mar 09 2006 @ 14:10 guest wrote:

"The problems with Java far outweigh this added initializer convenience. I will never go back to Java no matter how much they pay me. "Write once, run everywhere". Yeah, nice try. Even c# apps run better on Linux than Java. lol"

lol

Quick quiz: How many fortune 500 companies are using MONO on a Linux server in production?
< 0.01% (MORE LIKELY NONE)


Question 2: How many fortune 500 companies are using Java on a Linux server in production?
90%+

BTW Did you know that Java are heavily used by both Google and EBay?

We develop on Windows and deploy to Solaris (SPARC and x64) without any portability problems. Java is widely used on every major operating system available today (Windows, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, OS-X, Linux etc.) If you think .NET is more portable you must be high on something.

Visual Studio only runs on Windows whereas NetBeans (www.netbeans.org), Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), Studio Creator (http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/) and JDeveloper (http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/index.html) run on every major OS. And best of all they are all free (even for commercial purposes).
Do you seriously think that monoDevelop, sharpDevelop can compete with these tools?

Then there is the minor issue of Java being *MASSIVELY* faster than MONO and faster than MS CLR:
http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/
Run SciMark for yourself if you don't believe me. The C# and Java sources aren't hard to find. Even the client VM for Java is faster than .NET 2.0 since JDK 6 beta. Server VM has always been faster than .NET. Three years ago's JDK1.4.2 server VM even puts .NET 2.0 to shame in SciMark.

And the fact that there are more jobs for Java than C#:
http://mshiltonj.com/sm/categories/languages_a-m/

And Java has more mindshare:
http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/index.htm

And the fact that Java is supported by every major IT vendor on the face of the earth (Excluding MS of course):
http://www.jcp.org/en/participation/members/

105. On Mar 09 2006 @ 14:29 guest wrote:

Ye olde javascript is back again..

107. On Mar 09 2006 @ 15:02 arthurmnev wrote:

1) How is 'var' is different from 'object'? aside from that - i would really hate to see abstracted data types. This is exactly where entry level developers will cause chaotic performance issues.

2) What I would like to see though is an ability to deal with char[] as a string, perhaps allowing to declare a string data type that behaves more as an array of characters rather then .NET string (immutable constnatly copied region of memory). With full understanding that .NET utilizes string data for quite a few internal operations - a new data type seems to be in order.

3) GDI library bridge - there is rather poor support for GDI as of version 2.0 and some for GDI+; GDI+ is not always suitable (i.e. string based operations instead of character based stuff).

There is more, but this should be a good start.

109. On Mar 09 2006 @ 16:18 guest wrote:

These are great changes,  keep up the good work! If you want to use Java use Java, or use C# in it's traditional manner, but don't slow the rest of th world down.

111. On Mar 09 2006 @ 17:51 guest wrote:

Oh my god ... I can see ...

Another good ways to produce more and more unreadable code, and bad quality softwares.

Please, please: do not use 'var', please ...

113. On Mar 09 2006 @ 18:35 Guest wrote:

Everything cool except "var".

This "var" make code messy and harder to read. I prefer selfcommenting code (with meaningful variable and class names). And it doeas not save any keystrokes beacuse when you type for example:
JuniorSalesEmployee e = new
Than VS (intelisense) will write for you constructor name: JuniorSalesEmployee()
And if you have more than one constructor than give you possibility to select one you want.

115. On Mar 09 2006 @ 18:48 guest wrote:

Oh, and another thing...

For all the folks carping about Intellisense, realize that 5-10 years ago yours peers would have snorted derisively and made some comment starting with the words 'Real programmers don't ...'.  If your theory of how great code is written would break down without an IDE to use, I would submit that your grasp of the subject isn't very sound in the first place.

Cheers,


Steve

--

117. On Mar 10 2006 @ 05:34 guest wrote:

Give C a chance.  When's the last time you saw a popular application for Windows written in any scripting language?

119. On Mar 10 2006 @ 14:31 guest wrote:

I've been through the gamete of languages in my short time as a coder, from C to ActionScript to Lisp, and there will never be a more powerful language than C.  Even if a newbie starts off learning C# they will never be a powerful coder like that of a C coder. C coders depend on nothing. From bitwise operations, the lovely malloc and its good friend free we (C coders) write it all from scratch.

The guest who said they'd move over to java (blah!) permanently if C# 3 began to resemble VB was not funny at all. You need to go in a room and think about what you just said.

121. On Mar 10 2006 @ 18:47 guest wrote:

That's nothing...  I'm still using VB 3.0 at times.  As well as 6.  And .NET.

123. On Mar 11 2006 @ 06:48 guest wrote:

hey...this is starting to look like Ruby...especially the Object Initializer example...

125. On Mar 15 2006 @ 07:14 l0ne wrote:

@131: No it is not. "id" is to Objective-C as System.Object is to C#.
You cannot change the type of a var-declared variable in C# after you declare it -- it's simply shorthand for when the type gets so long that typing it twice (once in the declaration, once in the constructor) would be overkill.

127. On Apr 09 2006 @ 22:14 quest wrote:

this think with people that not regognize the difference from variant of vb with var of c# it sucks. Im Vb developer and the last 2 months i use c#.
Variant is a type in vb, var keyword in c# itsnt type variant is a special keyword for auto selection of a type from language.
var s = "this is a string but var keyword isnt type but a keyword"
ohh yes if you dont understand yet = now s is string type NOT VARIANT TYPE.

129. On Jun 04 2006 @ 08:11 JosephDeCarlo wrote:

I see the reason for the var keyword with regards to integration with LINQ and the necessity of the keyword for anonymous types.  I don't exactly see the uses for anonymous types, but I didn't see the uses for anonymous delegates until I really started using C#2 (they share a lot of the power of functors in C++).

I think it is very important for the user to know what class he is getting.  Let's hope Microsoft makes the declaration type and IntelliSense of the var'd variable usage work with the type intended to be assigned and not necessarily the type in memory.  

The examples given use very simple expressions like var x = "my value"; which is obviously a string and x's type and IntelliSense should be that of the String class, but what happens in this scenario?


Well if Microsoft does it right, the compiler will declare s as IAbstraction, but if they make var s of type ConcreteAbstractionWithExtraMethods since that is what is actually in memory, then the abstraction layer is lost.  Furthermore, it will compile and the consumer may use methods of the ConcreteAbstractionWithExtraMethods that are not in the interface without even being aware.  This could be a major flaw in the language if done without care.

131. On Jul 28 2007 @ 00:22 growUpPeople wrote:

It seems to me that some people need to do a little more research (other than reading this article, which is nice, by the way) before bashing new features.  As many (more informed) users have said, no one is forcing you to use these features.  In fact, if you love <insert your language name here> so much, use it!  If you want it to run on the .NET platform, you can even write your own implementation of the language using the features in the .NET framework, and the C# compiler (at least until you have your own compiler for your language).  I'm sure that if you do, you will come to appreciate many of the new features in C#.  I find it supremely annoying for people to complain about features in a language that they don't even know well, or use for serious development.
 As for the var addition, it is useful.  If you don't like it, then you can manage several different data structures (since you love typing so much!), and change them all when your usage requirements change (a thousand times during development).  Or, you can simply change the var declaration, and let the compiler recreate your simple data structures for you.
 Before you criticize new technology, learn something about it.  Oh, and another tip, use a spell checker.  You seem like an idiot when you can't spell!  Spell checking is integrated into so many tools, there is no excuse, other than being lazy (I suppose you could dislike the spell-checking feature as well, thinking "I can spell check my own stuff!", which would fit in with all your moaning about new features to a language you don't even use) or stupid.
 Mono will implement these features as well, so you won't get away from it by switching to mcs (if you use Mono, you know what this is).
 To the people who love typing, why don't you just program everything in cil?  As for me, if I can save time and get more done, I'm happy, and so is my employer.

133. On Sep 05 2008 @ 17:00 guest wrote:

This "var" thing is  just outright disgusting. Aside from being a 100% pointless feature, it's not even a feature because it doesn't do squat unless you define the type right away anyway, so why not simply define it and keep the code clear?

How am I supposed to know whether it's intended as a decimal or an int or a double, for example? Or let me guess, that somehow doesn't matter anymore? Sheesh, what an awful thing to do to a strongly typed language.

The only good thing about this feature is that it reminds me why I like strongly typed languages.

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